What debt of gratitude do we owe the psychics who predicted the Haitian earthquake so people could evacuate?
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Snicker, that "vine" person is just like all the other psychics… she says she predicted an earthquake on that day (she didn’t say where it would be and there are earthquakes almost every day somewhere) but she only lets us know AFTER the fact. Hell, I can do that.
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I’ve posed a similar question in answers that I have posted. I wonder why they never seem to get the "big ones" like the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, or the Christmas Tsunami, Hurricane Katrina, the list goes on as long as you like, up to and including the recent earthquake in Haiti.
I’m convinced no psychic predicted this event (or any other) because they can’t.
To the ones that have a "vision", I recommend buying space in a major newspaper to make public, in advance of a tragedy, the SPECIFICS of that tragedy. Give us a date, time, location, death toll, etc, rather than the same old trite and vague "prophecies" you always throw out there! Do this, and I will reconsider your claims.
Tom: you must be psychic (or think you are) to presume that you know that I do not have access, clearance, or a need to know! What is it that makes you so privy to my level of access? The burden of proof rests on the "psychics", so of course I would not finance publication of a "prediction" made by any one of these charlatans. I am certain that there are enough deluded benefactors out there to provide the money for that endeavor! "For my ‘concrete mindset’ comment, interpert (sic) what is concrete?" Perhaps you are saying my head is "hard as a rock". That is fine, at least I know that my brain is held firmly in place, and is not subject to falling out, as yours apparently has from the super open-mindedness you obviously suffer from!
EDIT- Tom: apparently I DID comprehend your original answer, if you were implying that you worked at some high level of government with some high security clearance, in which case you were claiming to be "in the know" of information that lesser mortals are unaware of. If this is an incorrect summary of your intended meaning, please set me straight. If I am correct, then perhaps you misunderstood me. I am wondering how you would know that I too have not had some involvement in government, that was the question I was trying to get through to you with my psychic remark.
"It is not on the person making a claim to be able to prove it but rather show support for the claim": Of course if the claim is extraordinary, it would certainly help to see some actual evidence for the claim. I am a person of science, so my mind is not so solidified that I may not eventually see it "your way", I’d just like to see some compelling evidence before I "just believe". As you suggest, I would also like to see a viable theory that explains the working mechanisms for paranormal abilities. In case you are wondering why I say that you suggest this, I get the idea from this remark of yours: "Some abilities are able to be reproduced but the factors to doing it constantly change, first the theoretical understanding and testing which leads to proof. (At least of the theory and then on to the next if it is not positive.)". I am certain that if there is any actual proof that one of the many hundreds of persons that have had access to this "secret" information would have spilled the beans so to speak. Of course I suppose they already have, but have ZERO evidence to support it. Why is this, Tom? Why not that if there are so many "special" people out there with abilities or knowledge of persons with abilities, that no one can show us all once and for all that these powers exist?
Stop hiding behind the cloak of secrecy and avoiding the real issue here (a trick that is always used by Ufologists, cryptozoologists, psychic mediums, etc., as long as it remains a secret, no one can ever prove them wrong), and just answer that question- if you can.
You seem to indicate in your final comments that you have investigated and so claim the existence of alleged paranormal phenomenon, please show us the evidence.
EDIT- Tom: Well, this is very amusing! The fact of the matter is you can CLAIM to have to hold onto secrets, but your claim is unverifiable (just as your claims of evidence of psychic ability are unverifiable), how very convenient. You have erected an impenetrable wall of secrecy! As I implied before, as long as you say you have evidence, but do not want to reveal it, no one can prove you wrong. The charade goes on!
They were misunderstood! The psychics all really said the city was going to rock and everybody was going to Get Down, and they thought it was just going to be a huge party.
Oh the cursed gift!
Haiti has had so many tragedies that even a non psychic could predict some great disaster in the near future and be right. Their buildings were crumbling even before the earthquake.
It’s in very poor taste to use them as an example.
Let’s face it no body predicted or monitered or had any idea this was coming what I am seeing here is after the fact claims of knowledge and prediction when the truth is neither science nor anything else got this one right.
The Haitian earthquake was predicted to happen; scientists just did not know WHEN it would happen. Geologists have studies the earth movement in this area for years. Numerous reports had been written about the probabilily of earth quakes in this area due to the numerous faults in the earth in this area. The Haiti quake was so devestating due to Port-au-Prince being located right on top of two major faults, detected years ago, which scientist studied and showed each fault line moved in a different direction, creating a "Y". One fault moved ot the right; while the other fault moved to the left; worsening the problem is the earth crust is very shallow on this island, only 26 miles deep. The less earth depth, the move movement. The Calif Andres Fault is located on approx 450 mile deep earth, thus, creating minor shakes of earth, as apposed to the tremendous amout of movemnt in the two faults moving in shallow earth crust. Would the Haitian people move? NO. They are a very very poor country; they do not have the ways or means to move. The are poor and issolated. The govt does not provide a good infrastructure, such as sewer lines, water lines, building codes, requiring rebarb steel in concrete buildings. I hope with the rebuilding, stronger building codes will be in place, as the earths faults still remain….and again, it is not a matter of IF an earthquake will happen again, but a question again of WHEN…
You are mistaken there was a psychic in Australia who predicted major earthquake activity in January 2010. Vine, a psychic from Melbourne Australia has been warning people around the world about major earthquake activity and also has been accurate with predicting earthquakes last year as well.
I believe psychics can try to get the message out, but having to target warnings to a audience full of skeptics and cynics is something I wouldn’t even want to try to do.
Years ago I was told in Automatic Writing that there would be a tidal wave here. Scared me to death and I was in panic. So far it hasn’t happened…and that was a long long time ago.
If someone had predicted it….and people believed it… they probably would panick but not move. I didn’t move.,,,even though I believed it at the time. I think people are more likely to believe scientists than psychics.
As much as to the scientists who predicted it so the people could evacuate!
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You would be surprised at some of the predictions that have actually been made (and yes I do mean in advance) that were correct. The two biggest problems are those who deny any possibility it may be true. Secondly it is generally some no-name that makes the prediction. I can understand those who deny the show psychics and attention whores who are fraudulent and blatantly so, the first name that comes to mind is Sylvia Brown. Add to the ridicule, due to the frauds, a no-name receives the accusation that someone who makes accurate predictions is causing it to happen and then ask why you do not hear about them. 911 was predicted 2 months prior and the information passed to the US Air Force. (I have spent time in the underground bunker where the info was received and met the person who made the prediction) Did you hear about that prediction and did it do much good? How many people were in the buildings? How many were there on a "normal" day? Why was there a meeting called at the pentagon on that day, including a recall of some persons on vacation if they were in the area with specific instructions being told "Do not go into the pentagon." I take it that you know what is really going on and what predictions are made even if they are not open to the public due to bureaucracy and security issues. Oh right it was an inside job and our own government was involved so they did not want the public to know, I forgot again.
There is an entirely different system within the government that an outsider would not believe exists. The show that the public sees it to keep them pacified and thinking they have some control or say over their lives. Reality is a different matter and there is constantly judgements as to how much information is released and how much collateral damage is acceptable/necessary to maintain stability and avoid panic. Would you really like to know how much lack of privacy you have aside from electronic surveillance? My ex panicked when she found out only a little of what goes on and complained that I should have told her. I simply asked if it would have really changed anything?
Bad day, I may hear about this answer later but at times I question if people are not more than cattle that are being just as easily manipulated and I need to let it out. Nothing personal intended and later I will be back to not confirming or denying anything. Have fun!
Edit: Witchy Mel, well put.
Talia, if you understood how close you are with part of your answer, it would not even be a joke. Particularly the "cursed gift". Many do see it as more of a curse than a gift. How would you like to see negative things and not be able to do anything about them? Then to not be taken seriously by most and for the ones who do, you get to be used or end up as a object to study. Much of the information does need to be interperted just as any other ‘intelligence’ and depending on the information it is simply noted and watched for accuracy to establish a pattern of accuracy and consistancy.
Algol, you will never have access, you do not have proper clearance or a need to know. As for space in a major paper, are you ready to finance all the claims? You also demand more than science or the government have been either able or willing to tell. I am also amused by people like you that even consider that their consideration of anything is of any importance to reality. In truth you being convinced in your concrete mindset is much more desirable. You know there are things that are not possible and therefore you are secure in your perceived privacy of actions and thoughts, not that they are relavent or even overly of interest for the most part.
For my ‘concrete mindset’ comment, interpert what is concrete?
Edit: @Algol, I in no way claimed to be psychic. privy = involvement for decades & my position, did you even comprehend my original answer? Concrete is perminantly set and if it is worked properly, it is all mixed up and then perminantly set. Media is a wonderful tool for disinformation and the mixing to occur.
It is not on the person making a claim to be able to prove it but rather show support for the claim. The invesitgators need to verify and then attempt to find the basis for the claim. Proof comes after theoretical explaination. It is a process the average person does not have the time or resources to invest.
There are plenty of things we can show exist but are not able to be explained, for example why do people sleep? There are 3 predominant theories.
Some abilities are able to be reproduced but the factors to doing it constantly change, first the theoretical understanding and testing which leads to proof. (At least of the theory and then on to the next if it is not positive.) I doubt any actual proof will be declassified for generations, if ever.
I cannot confirm or deny anything.
Better to be an open minded skeptic than remain closed minded and ignorant in my experiance. Not that I am stating you are, I will let you speak for yourself just as I do with my statements and the need to investigate before claiming proof of true, untrue or outright fraud.
Algol, thanks for the smile, 100s of people LOL! I work with the only person other than myself who has keys & major access, neither has nor wants full access. Limited persons with sectional access avoids the leaks you mention. Would it be wise to give the needed information to the public? I believe not. Look what happens when they get information about explosives, they turn it into objects of distruction. When 90% of subjects are able to be influenced, 15% at a high degree to show results, this means probably most people are "special" and have some natural potential. I will not allow my research to be available and uncontrolled. Self preservation also dictates much remains unwritten and for what is, I use a seemingly senseless cross code. Yes, crypto attempted to figure it out to no avail due to the unwritten parts, both are needed or nothing makes sense which means me alone is also of no value. There is no mass system that works, each must be individually tuned. If you want to find results, a tip would be to adjust testing on each subjects circadian rythem and consider personal factors. Manipulation and control of the subject/enviornment/situation/setting for testing without this produces less than effective results. As for showing evidence, have you ever signed papers with the government? There are potential consequences, I prefer my freedom and financial security. That may also be a consideration when information is ‘leaked’ aside from outright treasonous acts. For all I know you or anyone else asking questions could be testing security and I know how far my leash goes. I don’t mind a verbal reprimand, at times I provoke them intentionally, but I will not give a reason to jerk the leash. It may be a mildly grafic analogy but it is the reality I chose for the opportunities and benefits I experiance.
They’re too busy predicting the winning lottery numbers, as they do every week.
I wonder if Nostradamus predicted the earthquake. I guess by tomorrow, he will have done.
You can thank me. But next time may be you will listen to my predictions.
I’ve got some Oreo cookies. If they want some they can have them. They’re a couple years old but hey who can turn down an Oreo!